@bhaugen@campground.bonfire.cafe
mayel: You can click the "Show older activities" button to remove the filter.

I understand about the older activities. I was surprised at how few in the last 7 days. But apparently, that was all. And the system is working, I haven't been very active.

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Bob Haugen: Campground days "That's all for the last 7 days..." Is that true?

Maybe so....the system seems to be working otherwise...just not me...

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Bob Haugen: People in that social.coop Loomio thread would like to get accounts in bonfire.social.coop . I have an account there but I don't think I can give accounts to other people, unless I am missing something. @bonfire @ivan @mayel  invitations would be a great feature. Might need some special permissions, though...

I found a way to invite people, previously provided by @ivan

so thanks. Explicit invitations would still be a good feature....

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People in that social.coop Loomio thread would like to get accounts in bonfire.social.coop . I have an account there but I don't think I can give accounts to other people, unless I am missing something.

@bonfire @ivan @mayel  invitations would be a great feature. Might need some special permissions, though...

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That conversation continues with more interest in Bonfire.\
loomio.com/d/m4hc80Tn/commen...

Could we be two instances / communities? (website)
Loomio
I've been turning this thought over in my head for a couple days, and I'm curious what others think. I don't know that this is something that would ever turn into a proposal, possibly just an idea to contemplate.Some observations:1) I'm pretty new to social.coop, but from things various more senior members have said, I have the impression that decision-making and community-building were easier when the community was smaller.2) It also seems from a couple of recent conversations (e.g., the one about deferation from / moderation of Threads.net if they ever implemented ActivityPub, but the one about putting together an Organizing Circle, and one about how to moderate misinformation) that there is quite a bit of divergence among our members in visions for how the instance should be run.3) Meanwhile, it seems that there are a shortage of democratically run Fediverse instances out there.All of this has me wondering whether if we are too big for comfortable discussion of many decisions, might we be large enough to split off into two or more instances?I do think there would be more value in having a larger ecosystem of democratically run cooperatively owned instances out there, and this could be one strategy to bringing this about. I know we've also had members give presentations on this kind of thing, but I'm wondering if kicking off new instances from the inside might be easier than mentoring new instances on the outside.Thoughts?
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@ivan @mayel @bonfire\@indieweb.social

Y'all got a fan over in social.coop:

loomio.com/d/m4hc80Tn/commen...

"
I've been keeping a close eye on Bonfire, and I really think that it's leaps and bounds ahead of Mastodon in terms of design intent and moderation usability.
"

Lots more at the link...

social.coop (website)
Mastodon hosted on social.coop
A Fediverse instance for people interested in cooperative and collective projects. If you are interested in joining our community, please apply at https://wiki.social.coop/registration-form.html.
Could we be two instances / communities? (website)
Loomio
I've been turning this thought over in my head for a couple days, and I'm curious what others think. I don't know that this is something that would ever turn into a proposal, possibly just an idea to contemplate.Some observations:1) I'm pretty new to social.coop, but from things various more senior members have said, I have the impression that decision-making and community-building were easier when the community was smaller.2) It also seems from a couple of recent conversations (e.g., the one about deferation from / moderation of Threads.net if they ever implemented ActivityPub, but the one about putting together an Organizing Circle, and one about how to moderate misinformation) that there is quite a bit of divergence among our members in visions for how the instance should be run.3) Meanwhile, it seems that there are a shortage of democratically run Fediverse instances out there.All of this has me wondering whether if we are too big for comfortable discussion of many decisions, might we be large enough to split off into two or more instances?I do think there would be more value in having a larger ecosystem of democratically run cooperatively owned instances out there, and this could be one strategy to bringing this about. I know we've also had members give presentations on this kind of thing, but I'm wondering if kicking off new instances from the inside might be easier than mentoring new instances on the outside.Thoughts?
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ivan minutillo: @bhaugen we can contact coopcloud and try to test out a collaboration with them (or their coop networks) to offer premium hosting service, that would quite a cool use case... do you think the driftless group would be interested in this? (Of course no prob if they prefer to host it by themselves)

As I said in that other channel, I think it's too early to count onn the Driftless group doing anything. But if not them, I have another regional group in mind.

So early days of a conversation, or maybe more than one conversation. In all of them, I am the person who wants a Driftless Bonfire site, and nobody else is there yet.

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ivan minutillo: sounds awesome, but consider that Federation is still a wip

Where does federation fit in the Bonfire upcoming roadmap?

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mayel: @bhaugen see docs.coopcloud.tech/operator... While you can use any provider to get a server or VPS to use with coop-cloud, there's two mentioned in their docs (since they're more closely integrated into the tooling):
  • servers.coop is an initiative started by the same people as coop-cloud to setup a cooperative network of hosters, but I'm not sure how operational it is yet
  • hetzner is a german company that's common choice among FOSS and fediverse folks

Thanks again. How much server do you think Bonfire would need?
capsul.org/pricing

(that was from servers.coop which looks good if they are ready to go.)

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I tried to post this same content before and it went off into space somewhere. If it landed in the Bonfire campground and this is a duplicate, sorry, but i don't see my first try anywhere.

I wanted to ask about CoopCloud, which bonfirenetworks.org/docs/dep...

recommends for deployment.

But from skimming their doc, looks like they don't offer an actual cloud that I can deploy on, just some software for people to install on some other server.

Is that correct? And if so, got any recommendations for where to actually install Bonfire software?

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ivan minutillo: sounds awesome, but consider that Federation is still a wip

Got it.

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#bonfire_feedback

Seems snappier today. What did you do to speed it up?
(Or am I dreaming...?)

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mayel: @makoy It seems there's something else causing slowdown the last few days. Going to investigate!

@mayel @makoy
Seems snappier now, to me, but social.coop , the other place I hang out in the fediverse, has been down all weekend for me.

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Bob Haugen: @ivan @mayel this is me from my new computer. Got connected to Bonfire Campground, but have not been able to connect to the Element/Matrix channels we share. Will probably give up on getting them working on my new box, their instructions are very very picky and I continue to fail to follow them properly (apparently; alternatively their instructions have many bugs). So I can talk to y'all on Bonfire and social.coop, which I prefer anyway. Email works, too.

Plus my old computer still works so if I really need to meet y'all on Element/Matrix I can do it.

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Bob Haugen: @ivan @mayel this is me from my new computer. Got connected to Bonfire Campground, but have not been able to connect to the Element/Matrix channels we share. Will probably give up on getting them working on my new box, their instructions are very very picky and I continue to fail to follow them properly (apparently; alternatively their instructions have many bugs). So I can talk to y'all on Bonfire and social.coop, which I prefer anyway. Email works, too.

This is my new computer:
https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat

So far, I like it, but transferring all my accounts to a new box is painful.

Transferring my Bonfire account was not too bad,

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@ivan @mayel this is me from my new computer.

Got connected to Bonfire Campground, but have not been able to connect to the Element/Matrix channels we share. Will probably give up on getting them working on my new box, their instructions are very very picky and I continue to fail to follow them properly (apparently; alternatively their instructions have many bugs).

So I can talk to y'all on Bonfire and social.coop, which I prefer anyway. Email works, too.

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Bob Haugen: @dajb please let me know if you can see my thankyou message from a few minutes ago. It did not appear in my Actviities or Posts.

Eventually it did appear in my Activities stream. Just a little slow....

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