@ivan

With this entry, <1 day of engagement here. Enticed by some posts by https://xn--ocane-csa.fr/ on #Mastodon and their website. I've only just started to read https://bonfirenetworks.org/docs/ and https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols/

See document: https://www.platformaccountability.com/proposal, then scroll to the bottom. It shows some suggested measurements and some objectives for those measurements. Some for within a post/thread and some situated elsewhere TBD. The white paper contains more detail.

So sorry to be commenting without completely reading the specs first. Understood this particular comment period was for 2 weeks, and unsure I could finish and grok the specs in time to have a worthy basis for comment. I couldn't find a reference to the platform accountability document anywhere in the #Fediverse yet (but that be my weakness in search skills here). Wanted to be sure this work was known. Seemed like there were at least overlapping goals in the bonfire measurement goals noted here and the platform accountability goals.

@edumerco @mayel i like the idea, wonder how to represent the point in discussion in nested threads?

At present, our discussion page lacks any statistical data about the thread, a feature that is pretty common in most of social networks or forums. These platforms typically display a total count of replies, boosts, likes, and participants.

Take Discourse as an example, a platform with a great UX for productive conversations. Discourse displays the list of links shared in a post and provides a statistical box that details thread engagement. This includes also an approximation of the time required to read through the entire thread, if significant.

What are some meaningful statistics we must/should incorporate for the Bonfire 1.0 release? We are seeking to find statistics that can effectively foster engagement in discussions without solely promoting addictive behaviors. Any thoughts or suggestions ? #bonifre_feedback

@lne @ivan This does make me think though that maybe showing some metrics (like boosts and likes) as an aggregate for an entire thread (instead of for an individual post or comment) may be interesting indicator while being less connected to ego and addiction?

@mayel Happy to lend a hand.

@Oceane That bug is now fixed (but please note that federation is currently disabled)

@ivan Maybe show the number of flagged/reported posts?

Usually when I see many posts being flagged it's a sign of the thread going wildly off-topic or even attracting bad actors. I then stay away from that discussion. However, e.g. in Discourse I won't know until I have read through the posts. Having that metric on the top post would help me spend my time and engagement elsewhere.

Thinking of risks, maybe showing flag stats would attract more of the same? I would hope not in an otherwise functional community, but some people seem to gather around car crashes or houses on fire.

Hmm gotcha, I'm not sure if I did or not. They were green toggles. I see the new interface now for the custom roles and I no longer see the built-in roles.

@smitten Did you try actually toggling them? The UI might not be clear but they're read-only. We've only just deployed custom roles and the editable toggles there have a different design.

@mayel Did that just recently change? When I posted this I was able to adjust those permissions, I had a screenshot of it.

@mayel @ivan Activities, my feed, local, etc. look faster now.
Although trending topics are still slow.

Device: macbook m1 / Chrome 114.0.5735.90

@ivan @hec we've recently sped up the loading of feeds quite a bit... What pages seem slow and on what device/browser please?

@smitten just a correction: you cannot toggle the permissions on the default roles (interact, participate, etc) to customise them, you can only do so when you create custom roles.